National Geographic Explorer Paul Salopek began his continent-spanning walk in Ethiopia in January 2013. Since then, his Out of Eden Walk, tracing humankind’s journey out of Africa, has crossed 21 countries, some 14,200 miles on foot from the Middle Eastern shores of the Red Sea to the Pacific Rim of Japan. Host Marco Werman speaks with Salopek as he begins the 13th year of his global trek.
National Geographic Explorer Paul Salopek began a journey in Ethiopia in January 2013.
His Out of Eden Walk journey has taken him across 21 countries, tracing humanity’s path out of Africa and across the world. He’s traveled more than 14,000 miles — all of it on foot.
Salopek usually speaks to The World about a particular stretch of his adventure, but at this point, Paul has been walking for the past 12 years, so he spoke to The World’s Host, Marco Werman, about just that: the walk itself.
Marco Werman: You began your walk in the Rift Valley of Ethiopia 12 years ago. What do you remember about that first day?
Paul Salopek: It was chaotic. I’d been preparing the logistics for this walk for well over a year from the US. And you’d think everything would have been kind of nailed down and on schedule. But the camels that I thought I’d rented were nowhere to be found. Bags that I thought had been transferred did not arrive. So, we started a bit late. That’s okay, though. This is a very long journey. [It] started with different camels and a roller bag, the kind you roll through the airport, strapped to the back of them because I couldn’t find my canvas bags.
And you are still walking … Where’s the journey going to end?
That’s right. So, this project is premised on the idea of following the first anatomically modern Homo sapiens who walked out of Africa back in the middle of the Stone Age. And so, I’m walking to where scientists are telling me it is kind of the last corner of the last nook and cranny of the continents they reached. And that was the tip of South America, a place calledTierra del Fuego, where Argentina and Chile are.
What has surprised you the most about what it’s like to walk the Earth? Like to see it on foot and to feel this distance in your body.
It’s been a slow accumulation of realizations. At the beginning, there was a lot of anxiety about whether I was going to make it even, you know, a fraction of the way. But after all this time, it becomes your life. It actually, sort of, is now my daily existence. And I think that one lesson I take away is that once you adapt to it, it becomes easy. I guess the biggest surprise is how easy it has been.
And that first day, you took those first steps, and you’re like, “Wow, I’ve got to do this all the way around the world,” … did it seem daunting?
Yeah, based on the one day, there were questions about whether I’d make it to the next Tuesday. You know, there’s kit falling off the camels, and we’re having to go back and pick it up.
You’ve traveled with many locals in the 21 countries you’ve visited so far. What have those walking partners meant to you?
Very early on, I knew that I was going to be walking with people. This is a people project. I can tell you my impressions [of] walking across Ethiopia, China or South Korea, but they would soon become repetitive. So, I walk with local people who add their own voices and insights; therefore, the journey is constantly being refreshed.
Paul Salopek and several of his walking partners mark the end of the walk in China at the frozen beaches of Dongbei. The Yellow Sea in the region is an inlet of the Pacific.Zhang Qing Hua/National Geographic, Out of Eden Walk
And when you are figuring out which way to go, how much are you relying on guides to show you the way? Or are you using GPS? Or maybe you feel the rhythm of footsteps is best aligned with old paper maps?
You know, I started with paper maps. I sometimes use online navigational apps, but my walking partners, again, are my human mapping experts. They know the terrain. They know where the best shops might be and where to find shelter that doesn’t always appear on things like Google Maps.
You knew from the start you’d walk to the southernmost tip of South America, Tierra del Fuego, as you said. How much have you had to improvise?
How about all the time? There is no stability in this project. People sometimes say, “What do you take away so far? You’re more than a decade in, any kind of epiphany?” One of the big ones is overplanning. So, you have to plan. You have to kind of sort of know where deserts are. You have to know where the next water supply [is]. But this project has rid me of the impulse, whatever I had of it, of overplanning. And I think, you know, overplanning comes with having resources. You know, coming from a wealthy society, my physical identity, kind of being an older white guy, all these privileges that come with the package that my body is. But walking kind of democratizes you, up to a point. More than driving a car or flying a plane. It puts you at boot level with everybody else, who’s on foot, out in this landscape. And so, I have learned to become comfortable with uncertainty.
Let me get you to go deeper into that. Your journey began near the Red Sea, and it took you 12 years to walk to the edge of the Pacific Ocean. You’re not done yet. But it took the people who did this back in the day, millennia ago, many lifetimes, many generations, to cover the same distance. So, what has taking this on in one lifetime — not even one lifetime, in 12 years — taught you?
Huge difference. And I have to remind my readers that I am not in any way replicating the original human discovery of the planet. That’s the kind of conceptual part of it. But our ancestors took more than 50,000 years, after kind of rambling out of Africa, with no destination in mind, right — this is before destinations had been invented — to reach the tip of South America. I might do it in 15 or 16 years. I’m moving pretty steadily in one direction. They were going in circles. They were going backward. They were going sideways because they were looking for resources. They’re hunters and gatherers.
The big difference is that they were traveling in communities, right? Hunter-gatherer bands ranged in size from a dozen to maybe up to a maximum of 40 [people]. That’s about as many human beings as you can feed off the landscape that you’re moving through. So, the people who discovered the planet were not dudes. They were not guides. They weren’t like me. They were communities that included old women. They included children. They included people of every age. And so, one of the things I’ve taken away, through my small kind of experience with walking partners, is it does take a community to have a life with meaning, including if you’re always plodding across a continent. So, my community are my walking partners.
You’re not at your destination yet, but have you considered life after the walk and how this unique experience will change you?
Well, you know, I started as a journalist and am still a journalist. I’m 12 years older. My hair has turned almost white in the course of these years. And, sure, I’m thinking about sort of, you know, I hope I’m going to make it to the tip of Tierra del Fuego. If I do, that’s great. If I don’t, that’s the way it’s going to be, too; just take it day by day.
People do ask me, “So, are you going to hang up your boots at Beagle Channel, at the tip of South America, where Darwin kind of did his original discoveries?” That is my finish line. I really don’t know. I’m not going to turn around and walk back. Probably not. But who knows? I will leave that option open. Probably continue writing, right, in some capacity … and also keep using my body. Keep moving around. But I don’t really have a solid plan yet. My world is consumed, my thoughts are consumed by what I can see in my immediate horizon. What my eyes can see. That’s where my concerns are in my life right now.
Parts of the interview have been lightly edited for length and clarity.
Writer and National Geographic Explorer Paul Salopek has embarked on a 24,000-mile storytelling trek across the world called the “Out of Eden Walk.” The National Geographic Society, committed to illuminating and protecting the wonders of our world, has funded Salopek and the project since 2013. Explore the project here. Follow the journey on X at @PaulSalopek, @outofedenwalk and also at @InsideNatGeo.
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