NSO Group, the Israeli spyware company responsible for creating the hacking tool called Pegasus, which was sold to regimes around the world, many that turned around and used it to hack civil society groups, is deep in debt and looking for a way out. A recent deal with American defense contractor L3Harris went south. Marco Werman interviews John Scott-Railton, a senior researcher at Citizen Lab, which has helped uncover Pegasus software on phones belonging to dissidents, opposition politicians, and journalists worldwide.