Both the Trump and the Biden administrations have described China as an adversary, a rival, even a threat. China has been front and center when it comes to Biden’s foreign policy agenda. Now, the NATO alliance is also zeroing in on China with laserlike focus. In a statement coming out of the NATO summit on Monday, allies stated that China’s behavior presents: “systemic challenges to the rules-based international order.” Host Marco Werman speaks with Taylor Fravel, director of the security studies program at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.