CURWOOD: While Texas may be slow to act, Colorado recently became the first state to respond to the fracking boom with new regulations on emissions from oil and gas production. The new rules go after methane, a potent greenhouse gas as well as volatile organic compounds which pose health risks. Joining us now is Garry Kaufman, deputy director of the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environments Air Pollution Control Division. He says figuring out exactly where the emissions are coming from is half the battle. KAUFMAN: One of the challenges with the oil and gas industry is that they have a whole variety of emission points, some of which are big, and some of which are small. So you really have to attack them one by one identifying the most significant sources, and then coming up with strategies that can be used to reduce those. CURWOOD: So whats a big typical place that you might get emissions? KAUFMAN: Well, one of the largest sources of emissions from production sites are actually from oil storage tanks. Oil would be put into an atmospheric storage tank, and in that process, theyll be what we call flashing of emissions when you get a pressure drop from high pressure liquid thats underground to the atmospheric pressure and that really creates a significant source of emissions. Another area would be just the cumulative leaks that you get from a facility. As you can imagine, these are fairly complex facilities with lots of piping and lots of different components including valves and couplings and pumps. All of which can leak if theyre not properly maintained. So, one of the things that weve done as part of our regulations is require a pretty comprehensive leak detection or repair program that requires operators to go out at varying frequencies depending on the size of the facility and using an infrared camera or other device to identify the leaks and then get them repaired. CURWOOD: Now, methane is a really tiny molecule. Anytime it gets loose, it just wants to go up into the atmosphere, huh? KAUFMAN: Thats absolutely true. CURWOOD: Now as I understand it, you put this together with the fairly enthusiastic cooperation of industry. How did you manage to do that? KAUFMAN: Well, it was a lot of hard work. Thankfully our governor, Governor John Hickenlooper deserves a lot of credit because he really stepped in behind the scenes and really worked with some of the big parties to encourage them to work with each other and come up with a set of solutions that were pretty tough but could also be implemented by the industry. CURWOOD: In other words, the government knocked a few heads together. KAUFMAN: I think absolutely. The governor got in there, and I wasnt in the room when he did it, but I know we had gotten a fair amount of agreement on a number of issues, but there was still some pretty substantial gaps between where the environmental groups were and where the industry groups were and he went in there and knocked a few heads and got an agreement out of them, which I think is great. CURWOOD: So, whats the scale of methane emissions in your state…methane emission problems, I should say? KAUFMAN: Well, I think that, you know, its one of the elements of our overall greenhouse gas emissions in the state, methane from the oil and gas industries. Its a pretty significant element. Its not quite as large as CO2 emissions from vehicles or CO2 emissions from electric generation. But its sort of in that next tier along with some emissions from coal mines, and agriculture is a fairly source of emissions. So theyre sort of the next biggest things. They are things that havent been addressed by some of the federal rules like the power plant emissions and the vehicle emissions so its really a logical step for Colorado to move into to try and reduce our greenhouse gas footprint. CURWOOD: What are the public health impacts of these kinds of methane emissions? KAUFMAN: Well, methane itself is primarily a concern on a more global scale, really in a couple of ways. Certainly I think a lot of interest right now with methane is that its a potent greenhouse gas, so it adds to the overall climate change burden, it also can be on a more global scale a precursor of background ozone levels, which is unhealthy for people. In addition to methane, a lot of the requirements that were instituting will also get pretty significant reductions of volatile organic compounds, which are a more direct precursor of ozone. And currently some of our parts of the state are out of attainment with federal air quality requirements for ozone, so part of the impetus of the rulemaking is not only on the climate change side, but also to reduce precursor emissions that lead to high levels of ground-level ozone. CURWOOD: Now, natural gas has been described as a bridge fuel to clean energy. What do you think of that, and how do the new Colorado regulations fit into this? KAUFMAN: We as a state have identified natural gas both as a fuel for generating electricity and also as a fuel for vehicles. Its a really good climate change strategy because on a per unit basis, it has a lot less carbon impact than traditional gasoline or certainly than coal for coal-fire generation. To really maximize those benefits though, its important that we dont lose some of the benefit by having methane leaking out various parts of the production cycle, so I think it really does put us in a good footing as we move forward to have an industry that can be used to generate this cleaner burning fuel, but to do so in a way that doesnt diminish some of the benefits from that. CURWOOD: They say imitation is one of the most sincere forms of flattery. To what extent do you think other states will follow the example of Colorado, perhaps using your regulations as a template? KAUFMAN: Well, weve gotten a lot of inquiries from other states as well as from the national Environmental Protection Agency about our regulations. CURWOOD: Which states are calling you up? KAUFMAN: Well, Ive talked to Pennsylvania and had some discussions with them, we had some discussions with Wyoming, had some discussions with North Dakota. Staff I think has had discussions with some other states, and Ive got an inquiry about six or seven months ago from North Carolina whos got some interest in some new development in their state. CURWOOD: Not Texas though. KAUFMAN: I personally have not heard from Texas. This doesnt mean we dont have people on our staff who havent had conversations with them. CURWOOD: Gary Kaufman is the deputy director of the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environments Air Pollution Control Division. Thanks so much for taking the time with me, Gary. KAUFMAN: Thanks for having me on the show.
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