Big El Nio Coming?

CURWOOD: The weather phenomenon known as El Nio is likely on its way back, and it could be back in a big way over the next year or two, thanks to conditions researchers are now observing in the tropical Pacific Ocean. And if El Nio does return it could intensify droughts and storms around the world. To lay out all the signs and symptoms, we turn to Kevin Trenberth. Hes a distinguished scientist in the climate analysis section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. TRENBERTH: El Nios occur about every three to seven years and in between times there is a build up of heat in the western Pacific. The trade winds blow across the Pacific, piling up warm water in the western Pacific. After a period of time, the ocean says theres too much warm water piling up here over by Indonesia, and Im going to have an El Nio event, and some of this warm water starts to spread back across the Pacific and the winds change as that happens. Then, once it gets rolling, it continues for nine months to a year. CURWOOD: What are the signs youre seeing right now that suggest an El Nio event is underway? TRENBERTH: Firstly, this is the right time of year for the transition. The main time when El Nio tends to get started is March, April, May, so this is certainly the time to watch. The second thing is that there have been a quick reversal of the normal easterly trade winds to brief westerly wind bursts. CURWOOD: And what about water temperatures? What are you seeing there that might suggest that an El Nio is starting? TRENBERTH: Well, certainly the upper layer of the ocean down to what oceanographers call the thermocline is quite warm and some of the temperature anomalies there are up to about eight degrees Fahrenheit above normal. The last time weve seen those kinds of numbers is 1997, 1998, during the big El Nio event. Thats the time when El Nio really came into the American vernacular. CURWOOD: So tell us, what type of weather might we expect then if it turns out to be a fuerte El Nio? Kevin Trenberth is a Distinguished Senior Scientist in the Climate Analysis Section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. (NCAR) TRENBERTH: Well, the first thing is this upcoming summer. If it warms up sufficiently by July, then it means that the Pacific is where the main action is. At the same time, theres a lot less action in the Atlantic, so a subdued Atlantic hurricane season is in the cards in that case. 1997, as a case in point, is the most active hurricane season ever on record. The places where the hurricanes and typhoons tend to occur is a bit different. Theres a greater risk of a hurricane going into Hawaii or into Tahiti. And then, as we go into the wintertime, theres much greater odds of storms barreling into southern California and some parts of those continue across the south even to Florida, much wetter conditions in Florida and at the same time warmer and somewhat dryer conditions in the northern plain states. CURWOOD: Now, to what extent is this good news for California? Californias been really tight on water these days…a lot of drought. Does a big El Nio…how much wetter might it become? TRENBERTH: Well, this is especially, in some ways, good for southern California. It can end up replenishing a lot of their water resources and filling up reservoirs and so on. At the same time, some of these storms can be quite severe. Theres likely to be coastal erosion. There can also be flooding events. So the ability to be able to manage these kinds of extremes – the short-term extremes for the benefit of the longer term water use – comes into play. CURWOOD: Now what about the rest of the world? How does this affect drought in places like Brazil and Africa, Australia? TRENBERTH: The first place, Australia, it greatly increases the risk of drought there, and theyve already had the warmest year on record in 2013 with quite a lot of reports of wildfires and with El Nio, this greatly exacerbates that kind of a problem. It also affects Southeast Asia and Indonesia, and increases the risk of fires in those places, as well as, especially the northeastern part of Brazil and parts of Africa are very much at greater risk of drought. At the same time, places like Peru and Ecuador are potentially in for deluges and flooding and big changes there. CURWOOD: Now, as I recall, back in 1998, there was this huge set of icestorms in the east, and the finger was pointed at El Nio. TRENBERTH: Yes, there were some unusual conditions. So it was relatively warm in many parts of the world, because one of the things that happened during El Nio is this heat spreads across the Pacific. It comes into the atmosphere mainly in the form of evaporative cooling of the ocean and more moisture in the atmosphere, so that invigorates storm systems and weather systems, but it ends up heating the atmosphere and theres a mini global warming. 1998 was the warmest year on record. In winter, we still have cold continental conditions, of course. But sometimes, this warm air can meet up with that, and one of the consequences, – I think it was January 1998 – was a major ice storm, one of the worst on record in New England, and New York and especially in Canada. It caused major dislocations. It brought down the whole poles and structures that the wires were suspended on. CURWOOD: To what extent do you think the climate change warming of the worlds oceans is a factor in more frequent or stronger El Nio events? TRENBERTH: This is very hard to tell, and its a very important question. What we can say is that when an El Nio happens, because of climate change, the floods and the droughts in different places around the world tend to be stronger than they otherwise would be. And so those are often things which are often quite difficult to manage and they can cause big disasters. Weve just seen the kind of things that can happen in the Seattle area with this big mudslide, for instance, with some loss of life there. And so, yes, watch out for these kinds of things. CURWOOD: So, El Nio coming…strap yourself in, huh? TRENBERTH: Well, yes, as I say, the technology we have nowadays means that we should be able to get a pretty good handle on whether this is really going to happen, and what it looks like, I think, in about a couple of months of so. Were almost guaranteed that this next year will be rather different than the last three or four that weve had at least. CURWOOD: Kevin Trenberth is a distinguished senior scientist in the climate analysis section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. Thanks so much for taking the time with us today, Kevin. TRENBERTH: You're most welcome. The 1997 el Nio related ice storm damaged electrical wires in the Northeast. (Wikimedia.org)

CURWOOD: The weather phenomenon known as El Nio is likely on its way back, and it could be back in a big way over the next year or two, thanks to conditions researchers are now observing in the tropical Pacific Ocean. And if El Nio does return it could intensify droughts and storms around the world. To lay out all the signs and symptoms, we turn to Kevin Trenberth. Hes a distinguished scientist in the climate analysis section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. TRENBERTH: El Nios occur about every three to seven years and in between times there is a build up of heat in the western Pacific. The trade winds blow across the Pacific, piling up warm water in the western Pacific. After a period of time, the ocean says theres too much warm water piling up here over by Indonesia, and Im going to have an El Nio event, and some of this warm water starts to spread back across the Pacific and the winds change as that happens. Then, once it gets rolling, it continues for nine months to a year. CURWOOD: What are the signs youre seeing right now that suggest an El Nio event is underway? TRENBERTH: Firstly, this is the right time of year for the transition. The main time when El Nio tends to get started is March, April, May, so this is certainly the time to watch. The second thing is that there have been a quick reversal of the normal easterly trade winds to brief westerly wind bursts. CURWOOD: And what about water temperatures? What are you seeing there that might suggest that an El Nio is starting? TRENBERTH: Well, certainly the upper layer of the ocean down to what oceanographers call the thermocline is quite warm and some of the temperature anomalies there are up to about eight degrees Fahrenheit above normal. The last time weve seen those kinds of numbers is 1997, 1998, during the big El Nio event. Thats the time when El Nio really came into the American vernacular. CURWOOD: So tell us, what type of weather might we expect then if it turns out to be a fuerte El Nio? Kevin Trenberth is a Distinguished Senior Scientist in the Climate Analysis Section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. (NCAR) TRENBERTH: Well, the first thing is this upcoming summer. If it warms up sufficiently by July, then it means that the Pacific is where the main action is. At the same time, theres a lot less action in the Atlantic, so a subdued Atlantic hurricane season is in the cards in that case. 1997, as a case in point, is the most active hurricane season ever on record. The places where the hurricanes and typhoons tend to occur is a bit different. Theres a greater risk of a hurricane going into Hawaii or into Tahiti. And then, as we go into the wintertime, theres much greater odds of storms barreling into southern California and some parts of those continue across the south even to Florida, much wetter conditions in Florida and at the same time warmer and somewhat dryer conditions in the northern plain states. CURWOOD: Now, to what extent is this good news for California? Californias been really tight on water these days…a lot of drought. Does a big El Nio…how much wetter might it become? TRENBERTH: Well, this is especially, in some ways, good for southern California. It can end up replenishing a lot of their water resources and filling up reservoirs and so on. At the same time, some of these storms can be quite severe. Theres likely to be coastal erosion. There can also be flooding events. So the ability to be able to manage these kinds of extremes – the short-term extremes for the benefit of the longer term water use – comes into play. CURWOOD: Now what about the rest of the world? How does this affect drought in places like Brazil and Africa, Australia? TRENBERTH: The first place, Australia, it greatly increases the risk of drought there, and theyve already had the warmest year on record in 2013 with quite a lot of reports of wildfires and with El Nio, this greatly exacerbates that kind of a problem. It also affects Southeast Asia and Indonesia, and increases the risk of fires in those places, as well as, especially the northeastern part of Brazil and parts of Africa are very much at greater risk of drought. At the same time, places like Peru and Ecuador are potentially in for deluges and flooding and big changes there. CURWOOD: Now, as I recall, back in 1998, there was this huge set of icestorms in the east, and the finger was pointed at El Nio. TRENBERTH: Yes, there were some unusual conditions. So it was relatively warm in many parts of the world, because one of the things that happened during El Nio is this heat spreads across the Pacific. It comes into the atmosphere mainly in the form of evaporative cooling of the ocean and more moisture in the atmosphere, so that invigorates storm systems and weather systems, but it ends up heating the atmosphere and theres a mini global warming. 1998 was the warmest year on record. In winter, we still have cold continental conditions, of course. But sometimes, this warm air can meet up with that, and one of the consequences, – I think it was January 1998 – was a major ice storm, one of the worst on record in New England, and New York and especially in Canada. It caused major dislocations. It brought down the whole poles and structures that the wires were suspended on. CURWOOD: To what extent do you think the climate change warming of the worlds oceans is a factor in more frequent or stronger El Nio events? TRENBERTH: This is very hard to tell, and its a very important question. What we can say is that when an El Nio happens, because of climate change, the floods and the droughts in different places around the world tend to be stronger than they otherwise would be. And so those are often things which are often quite difficult to manage and they can cause big disasters. Weve just seen the kind of things that can happen in the Seattle area with this big mudslide, for instance, with some loss of life there. And so, yes, watch out for these kinds of things. CURWOOD: So, El Nio coming…strap yourself in, huh? TRENBERTH: Well, yes, as I say, the technology we have nowadays means that we should be able to get a pretty good handle on whether this is really going to happen, and what it looks like, I think, in about a couple of months of so. Were almost guaranteed that this next year will be rather different than the last three or four that weve had at least. CURWOOD: Kevin Trenberth is a distinguished senior scientist in the climate analysis section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. Thanks so much for taking the time with us today, Kevin. TRENBERTH: You're most welcome. The 1997 el Nio related ice storm damaged electrical wires in the Northeast. (Wikimedia.org)